Screenwriting : Simple story, complex characters by Stephen Floyd

Stephen Floyd

Simple story, complex characters

I'm trying to get a handle on the idea of writing a simple story with complex characters, as opposed to plots that are needlessly complicated to make up for characters that are flat. Any examples you guys can provide of movies that do this well?

Seda Temurci

Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri

Filth

Split

12 Angry Men

The Disappearance of Eleanor Rigby: Her

The Disappearance of Eleanor Rigby: Him

Good luck!

Stephen Floyd

Thanks. Twelve Angry Men seems like the quintessential example of this idea.

Dan MaxXx

Stage 32 did a free webinar of "Green Book". Simple plot. Complex characters.

Just about every great American movie is a simple plot. Movies are all about characters.

Seda Temurci

Stephen Floyd, absolutely. And Filth as well. It is extraordinary.

Imo Wimana Chadband

Hey Stephen Floyd Here's the webinar Dan MaxXx is referring to. It's free so you can check it out. I attended and it was quite insightful. Best wishes on your writing bro!

https://www.stage32.com/webinars/Breaking-Down-the-Oscar-Winning-Script-...

Craig D Griffiths

I believe characters are all that counts. The actions and reaction of a person should be what drives plot.

If plot drives your character they are passive and therefore (in theory) the story is about the event and not the character.

Seda Temurci

Captain America: Civil War (as a CGI comic book movie) has a more inretesting conflict between personally damaged characters than many oscar nominated movies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wuoj01ZqFU

Craig D Griffiths

Seda Temurci and the very best thing Capt has no arc. He is the same at start as he is at the end. All the change happens in the world.

Joleene DesRosiers

@Craig - interesting perspective on Capt. Would you say his arc came and went in his movie (from skinny boy to bulky hero)? He certainly evolved there.

Seda Temurci

Craig,

1. First movie: A young man who dedicates himself in the service of his country. Even becomes a puppet of the army as he entertains soldiers on stage with show girls just to be in the army.

Civil war: Goes against his country and almost every country on earth, releases prisoners and becomes a fugitive.

2. First movie: Sacrifices his life and love to save people.

Endgame: Gives up being a hero for a simple life with the woman he loves.

3. First movie: Young man known with moral values.

Civil war: Almost kills his own friend/another hero.

These things are definitely not the same. And it's about him not the world. Plus there are so many more through all the movies.

Craig D Griffiths

Yes, all that is true. But that is plot and story. Capt never changes who he is. He doesn’t start as a coward that becomes brave. He is the ultimate Boy Scout. As a 90 pound weakling he just wanted to do the right thing. As the super soldier he was able to do it.

Nearly all movies have a character arc. Capt is the exception that comes to mind. He is consistent from beginning to end. Even the classic elevator fight scene. He gives them a chance “anyone want to leave before we start this”.

There must be change in a story. But Capt bends the world to make it fit his version of moral right.

He is one of my favourite characters from childhood. Then we have Stark. Who changes from 100% selfish to 100% selfless.

Seda Temurci

You are so on point for Stark. But exact opposite happens for Captain. Examples that I gave are very clear especially number 2. Plus neither Stark was ever a coward. And he never changed his know it all attitude either.

Even Endgame elevator scene and the fact he makes fun of his own phrase " I can do this all day!" is just clearly shows the change he had.

Honestly I was so bored by Captain in the first Captain movie. He got more interesting through all the movies by his unexpected choices unlike his character represented in the first movie. That's arc my friend.

Stephen Floyd

Craig is right, Cap has no arc. But that’s part of his schtick, to be stalwart and unchanging in the face of adversity. Doesn’t mean he’s a weak character because we can still identify with him emotionally, he just doesn’t have an arc.

Phil Parker

A cynical cafe owner has stolen letters of transit

The woman who broke his heart turns up with her husband and needs those letters to escape the Nazis.

The core problem of a classic movie. Simple plot, incredible characters.

Cherie Grant

12 Angry Men. It's short and one location and relies solely on character and dialogue.

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